cope with tragedy. >> when i was a little boy and something bad happened in news, my mother would tell me to look for the helpers. you'll always find people helping, she'd say. and i found that that's true. >> look for the helpers. may that offer you some comfort and may the memories of those lost at the synagogue in pittsburgh, may their memories be a blessing. "fareed zakaria gps" is next. this is "gps," and welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the show, horror in pittsburgh. 11 people are dead after a shooting rampage at the tree of life synagogue. i'll discuss that with a panel. then this week's other news

on foreign policy. but first, here's my take. this is a sad week for america, one of the saddest that i have ever witnessed. first, a series of bombs directed at a former president and other public figures. then an act of horrific terror in a house of worship. we seem to have crossed lines and broken barriers of decency. the attack on the tree of life synagogue strikes me as particularly tragic. one of the most extraordinary features of modern american life has been the integration of its jewish community. for over 2500 years, jews have been vilified and perse sucuted everywhere. then came america and israel. two places where jews could breathe easily and live safely. in this country, jews have been deeply patriotic and productive, scaling heights of achievement

and becoming civil leaders and good citizens. and yet, we have seen an unmistakable rise in anti-semitism in recent years. now this. what does it say about america? the two events of this week are quite different, and most importantly, let's be clear, the responsible parties for the violent acts are the people who perpetrated them. but they have taken place against a backdrop. president trump has spoken harshly about his opponents, but he hasn't had a monopoly on this

kind of talk. democrats have done their share of demonizing. now, i think this particular story does have a beginning, at least in the modern era. in 1978, newt gingrich explained to a group of college republicans who said one of the great problems we have in the republican party, we don't encourage you to be nasty. he made a push for republican majority in the house, he sent memos to party members instructing them how to speak like newt. he suggested labeling the democrats with words like sick, pathetic, lie, anti-flag, traitors, radical, corrupt. sense then, we have watched as politics has become personal, nasty, mean spirited and decembstructive on both sides. the second feature has been the

toleration and encouragement of white nationalism. this is more recent, but indisputable. when politicians from all parties and businessmen from all striped condemned president trump for calling some of the white nationalists in charlottesville very fine people, quote unquote, they feared that he was tolerating precisely the kind of nationalism, hatred, and anti-semitism that has burst forth this week. finally, guns. when will we come to the blindingly obvious conclusion that too many people in this country have access to weapons which makes us unique in the advanced world. will we have to live in the country where schools, churches and synagogues become armed zones? fear, hatred, and division. historians remind us that we've seen ugly times before as a nation, and it's true, the

sedition acts, the japanese internment, mccarthyism, divisive politics, but in all these cases, we looked back on the period with shame. as we surely will this one. and let's get started. we will not give the killer the dignity of uttering his name, but i will name the terrific panel i've gathered. jonathan greenblatt, ceo of the anti-defamation lead, tom freeman, and david frum. tom, let me start with you. what is the big takeaway from these two events, particularly the last one as i said, the synagogue, which just strikes me

as a terrible sign, some kind of a canary in a coal mine. >> thanks for having me. for me, it goes back to a column i wrote a week before the election. i quoted one of my teachers who said, we're living in an age of moral arousal. moral arousal is a good thing, when it's racism and anti-semitism and abuse by men to women in the workplace. but when there's no governor on this moral arousal, it can lapse into moral outrage. then you find yourself in a huge storm. that's where we really are today. where does all this moral arousal come from? we live in the age now of social networks where anyone who is morally aroused can have a mega phone and express that to the world. we saw that the people were using these platforms, what

these platforms also do is give comfort to racists and bigoted people. bigoted people have never had it more comfortable in america because of these social networks. they can find fellow bigoted people to feel welcome. and this moral arousal comes from -- people dividing us has become a business. we have a network in this country, that's in the business of dividing us.

we go from moral arousal to outrage to off with your head, and we have no president who can galvanize the country in a moral conversation about these issues and to engage people, because his business model to create division and fear conflicts with his job description to be a

uniter and healer. >> we've talked of the years, and you've been pointing out to me for a while, years now, that there has been this extraordinary rise of anti-semitism, in a country where we thought we had solved this problem. >> look, jews simply live with tremendous privilege in this country. but the anti-semitism that we're seeing explode today has been with us for some time. what's different is that it's now out in the open in a way that defies morality. so in 2016, after more than a decade of decline, we saw 34% increase of acts of harassment, vandalism and violence. last year, a 57% spike, the single largest surge we have ever seen in covering this for 40 years. but just last week, i was with the head of the nypd hate crimes

task force who told me hate crimes was at the same level as a year ago. so what is terrifying is this seems to be the new normal, as we saw punctuated in such a tragic way yesterday. >> david, is it fair to tualk about the surround of the political rhetoric? i'm thinking about this idea that the tree of life or the jewish groups have been helping people find ref judge, perhaps even, you know, being involved in this caravan, this claim -- i mean, all you have to do is listen to fox news and you would hear it often repeated. there's a campbell's soup vice president for government affairs, who tweeted about how george soros was funding this. there was a pro trump campaign ad that had three very prominent american jews, janet yellen,

george soros and lloyd blankf n blankfein, are these anti-semitic tropes, or are we stretching too far? >> george soros was also a target by the bomber. so he's owed an apology by fox news. i think that example underscores something you said in your opening statement. the bombings and the shooting are quite different. and i would direct attention to two ways. the targets of the bombing were people who were attacked by president trump. and the bomber was quite apolitical until donald trump came on the scene. so i think that attempt at crime, those crimes, are very attributable to the president. his incitement has quite a

direct connection to these bombing attempts. the shooter seems to have been reacting to a much more generalized level of anti-semitism that we have been discussing. the trump administration and others have dog whistled about jews, they've not been as directly as inciting as the targets of the bombers. here's the second difference. the bomber sent a dozen packages and no one was hurt, because making an effective bomb is a challenging task. and getting it through -- transporting it through the mail, there are many legal obstacles, . so thank god, nobody was hurt in those attacks. on the other hand, once you decide to use a firearm as your weapon of murder, it could not be easier. we have seen in not only this terrible attack in pittsburgh, but in las vegas, in newport, in

so many crimes and schools that really anybody who can easily lay hands on these weapons and kill not one person at a time but dozens of people at a time. >> tom friedman, do you think that when we confront this kind of problem, is the answer to speak out, to denounce it? is it to go and hook for molook? how do you tone down -- how do you make less of this happen? >> it starts with leadership. actually in my career, i've covered the secretary of state and the president of the united states as a reporter. one thing you notice when you cover the president is the exponential expansion of the mega phone. there's just nothing like the president of the united states. when you had a policeman confront a black professor in boston in the obama presidency,

what did obama do? he invited them for a beer at the white house. there is no single magic cure for this. but i can't tell you it's sufficient, but i know what is necessary. that is for the president of the united states to show empathy and be someone who demonstrates moral compassion, moral conversation, moral engagement by what he does and says. not to say, let's just get this bomb stuff out of the way so i can go back and keep the country focused on the fact that there's a caravan of refugees headed our way, and there are middle eastern types among them. that was a cold, flat-out lie, absent any evidence to the contrary. what trump is doing is exactly the opposite, and we cannot run away from that. of course he didn't order these shootings. but he's responsible for failing to create the kind of countercontext to this, and he's responsible for inspiring people

who have these views to feel comfortable sharing them. >> let me add on that middle east caravan thing. even if there are middle easterners, which there is no evidence, jonathan greenblatt, you've been tracking this particularly with regard to technology. you had a report out friday how social media has encouraged more of this. so what is the solution? >> you know, at the adl, if you're fighting the front line on traihate, you have to confro google and facebook and all the big brands. we opened up a center in silicon last year, and i think there's two pieces to this puzzle. so number one, we need to be engaging with industry and thinking about not just better policies for the platforms but better products for the users.

and how do we use technology and rea reimagine the al ga rhythms and turn down the volume to make it harder to hear and find. so we need to engage the companies to engineer better products. secondly, we need policymakers to get involved. the law needs to consider new phenomena like swatting and doxing and cyber hate and to identify these as issues that require policy solutions, as well. so we need both our policymakers and product designers to get engaged in fighting the problem. >> david, what about these issues, particularly with the tree of life synagogue, which has been revealed once again, this guy had 21 or 22 guns, one of them was an ak-47, a military-style weapon.

is there anything you think that could change the political dynamic in this country? we have made it easier in the last five years to get guns of this kind. >> i have written about this, since sandy hook, the legislative -- at the state level, the legislation has become more permissive. you can now bring guns into bars of all places. i think we are going to see with weapons something likely that happened with drunk driving in the '80s. a cultural revolution is coming and driven very much by women and mothers who are going to, at some point break through the relatively small number of people who make it impossible to have anything like the kind of regulations that other countries have. i spend much of my time in canada. in canada, you can get a hunting rifle, but you can't get a glock or an ar-15, because why do you

need that when you want to hunt duck or deer? that's coming. i am confident of that. it will be in as a moral revolution, through a cultural change, and the legislative part will probably be last. >> tom friedman, what does it say about the situation in america today that i can't remember the last middle eastern or let alone foreigner actor who has perpetrated an act of terrorism in the united states. it's been years now, and what we are now talking about, who would have thought 17 years after 9/11, what we're talking about is domestic terrorism being perpetrated in the united states on the basis of politics and religion. >> there's a sickness in the country. i grew up in minnesota in a jewish community like squirrel hill. my wife grew up in iowa. it's what has made me a

political optimist and a moderate. i grew up in a place where jews were fully integrated in american life. but i saw politics work. what is so troubling me today is we've reached a point where it's not working, where we are the problem, not foreigners. and the problem, we cannot run away from it. we have a president without shame. he's backed by a party without spine, and they are amplified by a network without integrity. when you face that, there's only one thing to do, get power to change it. so there's only one thing to do in this midterm election, vote for a democrat. i don't know any other solution in the short term. >> jonathan? >> a few quick thoughts. we looked at the murders in the u.s. in the last 25 years, almost 80% have been committed by white supremists.

i'm not afraid to speak truth to power to candidate trump or president trump. but i want to underscore this problem is bigger than one person. whether you're the president of the united states or a university president, or the president of the pta, we expect people in positions of authority to speak out consistently and cheerily when anti-semitism shows up or other forms of intoll rainto intoleran intolerance. and they need to be held accountable when they don't do that. >> david, any last thoughts? >> jonathan talks about making -- dialing down the volume of the worst noises on social media. president trump last week complained that his twitter was being jumd serunderserved by th platform. president trump is not only not going to improve, he's a model of exactly the kind of behavior that is so upsetting.

he's never going to be different. he's never going to be better. i think when we ask questions on tv what should the president do, we need to start with who and what the president is. he will not improve. he is what he is. >> thank you all. let me just in closing remind you, it's a terrific quote by a german lutheran minister, whose name i can't remember, it went something like this, first they came for the socialists and i did not speak out because i was not a socialist. then they came for the trade unionist and i did not speak out because i was not a trade unionist. then they came for the jews and i did not speak out because i was not a jew. then they came for me. and there was no one left to speak out. when we come back, foreign policy. ...for that, and just a second, we also have the mendez mediation.

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panel. we recorded this group on a stage in new albany, ohio, in front of an audience of citizens who wanted to learn and inform themselves. i was invited there to moderate a discussion thursday night. samantha power was ambassador to the u.n. under president obama. today, she's a harvard professor at the law school. michael hayden was director of the cia and nsa. today, he's a principal at the chertoff group and cnn security analyst. and teach hadley was national security adviser under president george bush. he's a principal at the international strategic consulting firm. we're going to play a little bit of a simulation and take you into the national security council. and what i'm going to arbitrarily say, roughly speaking, steve, i'm going to take your old job and i'm going

to be the national security adviser. there's no prospect of that actually happening. you're going to be secretary of defense, you're going to be the head of intelligence, and you're going to be the secretary of state, sam. so i don't want you to think too much about the position. i want you to just give your best advice. mike, you have the saudi situation. the turkish government has now made absolutely cheer that they have, from their point of view, incontrovertible evidence that the saudis did what they did, the saudis deny it. then they finally acknowledge that khashoggi was, in fact, kid. now the most recent twist is they acknowledge it was premeditated. what is the intelligence community's value here?

what do you need to tell the president? >> so what you need to do is to give the president your best view of what constitutes objective reality. what exactly did happen? now, you can be wrong about your objective view. we've got life experience there. but it has to be your life shot as what constitutes objective reality. >> the unpleasant fact in this case, that this killing was probably directed from the highest echelon from the saudi government -- >> from the outside looking in, bested upon experience looking at what is publicly available, a couple option va couple observations. the turks are competitors with saudi arabia. so this is designed to influence, as well as inform. so you need to be a bit

skeptical about turkish information. my sense is the body of data, we very likely know and we have launched the star fleet here in terms of all sources in terms of the internal workings of the saudi government. my judgment is this does not happen without the knowledge and permission and direction of the crown prince. so this is on him. so what it is that you owe the president is to not allow him to pretend that there is doubt or that it is not on the crown prince. he can decide what he wants, because it's a really ugly decision. but you cannot -- you cannot pretend that he doesn't have that really difficult decision. at some point, you're going to say, mr. president, they did it, it was premeditated. we know he approved it. and if asked, we're going to

have to say so to other parts of the american government. >> and yet, steve hadley, saudi arabia is a force for stability in oil markets and has been an important ally militarily of the united states for decades, right? >> and one of the things then someone has to do in the nsc meeting is at some point say, you know, it's not quite this simple. so to take mike's point, turkey has more journalists in prison today than any other country in the world, and this is the president of turkey championing the death of a he has an ax to grind in this. secondly, how does the rest of the world see this? if you hook at what's coming out

of the region, the region, our traditional allies have all rallied behind the saudis in general and mohammed bin salman in particular. people say this should raise a question about the succession of the conversation you have with the president, should we be trying to influence that succession? is that something that the united states should be doing as a matter of principle. is there a plan b for him that if he steps down will provide a stable saudi arabia? because saudi arabia is our historic ally in the region. it's a country we depend on to manage the issue of iran and will depend on to make up for a shortfall in oil production when on november 4th we try to take a million barrels of iranian oil off the market. so if he's implicated in this terrible crime, what do you do

about it when he seems to be a vehicle for reform in saudi arabia, that is actually supported by a lot of youthful saudi. i say this not for the answer. >> and samantha powell is now going to give us the answer. >> by the way, this is exactly what happens in the situation room. so it's true that mohammed bin salman has probably the shiniest and most graphically appealing power point on the future of saudi arabia that you can imagine. but at the same time, he is boasting about and seems intent on pursuing a set of reforms aimed at modernization. and i have to admit is popular with young people for that reason, is convincing people that's his agenda. he's orchestrated one of the most intense crackdowns on dissent, and even on women who seek to exercise these rights in ways that departs modestly from

the script he's putting in place. you also have to judge his performance and capability of implementing a modern agenda against the operations he's managed to this point, which include the most devastating war in yemen that doesn't yet any coverage. why? because it's a dangerous place to be, and two, saudi arabia doesn't allow journalists in yemen. so to the degree, and i think the question as you posted about whether the united states can get in the business of picking princes, that's a dangerous -- i would stay out of that business. starting with yemen, a suspension in general of the arms sales at this point. but where we seek to get the british and french arms dealers on boards is critically important. and a cold shoulder that extends

well beyond a conference to the individual that we are finding or will find is responsible for this operation. >> stay with us for more of this fascinating panel discussion.

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more now with my panel discussion with san ma power, michael hayden and steven hadley. i sat down with them on stage thursday night in new albany, ohio. let's talk about something we have focused for a while about, russia. what do we need to understand about vladamir putin's russia? is he trying to destabilize the world for sport? is there a strategy behind it?

what's the problem and what should the u.s. do? >> i think it's fair to say, we took our eye off the ball a little bit in the first decade or so of this century. i'll be the first to admit it. i was director of cia for 2 1/2, 3 years. went to 50 more countries. not one of them was named russia. counterterrorism, counterproliferation sucked all of the oxygen out of the room. so we're coming hate to this. the second is, we need to scope this very carefully. i'm glad we put some distance between talking about china and russia. one is a resurgent power, one is not. there are three american states, california, new york, and texas that individually have economies larger than the russian federation. so let's keep that in mind. so putin has a fairly weak hand. i think he's playing with a pair

of 7s in his hand. but until someone calls the pot, 7s win. the grand strategy is to pull us down to his level. and that's why the information warfare attempts at european union, the north atlantic treaty organization, and the american political process, he needs to pull us down to his level to a point where his power, which he cannot substantially increase, matters again. >> samantha, to me the most extraordinary thing about our tribal politics, we have now taken on policy preferences that mirror whatever our leaders say. so when you see polling now, republicans say they kind of like russia, and they're reasonably comfortable with vladamir putin. the democrats, who used to be the doves in these terms, now

hate russia and believe there needs to be a very tough anti-russia policy. is our international outlook now just part of our tribal approach to domestic politics? >> that's partyism where you adopt the whole sort of roster of issues. if it's associated with your power, now that party identification is transcending that with other commonalities. what's really north worthy about russia's approach, it goes back to the old soviet tactics. our adversaries, and this is true with other leading powers in prior ages, they understand that our division is good for them. so what has russia done apart from enter veering in the elections, they look at the kavanaugh hearing, and you see russian bots and that same network used in 2016, you see them playing up the pro

kavanaugh social media, and you see them playing up the anti. on charlottesville, you see antifa and the sort of neo-hassneo-has nazi, alt-right whatever. they see it as a advantage to take our social fissures and cultural issues that are firing people up and have these in their interest. >> steve, is it fair to say that when you look at the united states, powerful economy, technology doing superbly, a military that's still the envy of the world. but there's this deep domestic divide. the most important thing putin was able to do in the interference of the election is he played into this deep divide

where neither side trusts or believes the other and each side the willing to think the worst of the other. >> the united states, if you're worried about the united states, we have a lot of tools to run a successful foreign policy that is in our interest, and can provide prosperity and security for our people. but our brand is not doing well internationally. there's a reason why people are taking seriously china's claim to have a new model. our economy still is not producing sustained, inclusive growth. our politics are fractious. we can't work across the aisle. there are a long list of problems, budgets, migration reform, we know for 15 years we have to address them, and we haven't done so. so if you want to fix our foreign policy, we have to fix

our domestic situation. our politics, our economics. we've got to now solve some of these questions that have been lingering. i'm hopeful in part because i have spent some time with young people. i think the next generation is coming. i think it's terrific the number of women and veterans that are running in this election. i would say if you want to fix our foreign policy, fix our domestic policy, get organized. get active in our politics. and come out and vote. that's how we fix it. >> on that front, thank you all. thank you all. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. ly will see you next week. are clear and straightforward so you can plan for retirement while saving for the things you want to do today. -whoo! while saving for the things (nicki palmer) being a verizon engineer is about doing things right. and there's no shortcut to the right way.

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hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whid in atlanta. live in pittsburgh at the tree of life synagogue. 11 people murdered in the deadliest anti-semitic attack in our nation's history. the victims were there to pray and worship when they were targeted and gunned down in their holy place of worship on shabbat morning. they include a husband and wife, two brothers, and a 97-year-old woman. we are starting to learn more of

their stories as investigators search for answers in this deadly crime. the suspect, robert bauers is under guard in a hospital recovering after surgery. his disturbing social media history is coming to light, filled with anti-semitic comments and minutes before, i can't i sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. screw your optics. i'm going in. the neighborhood is rallying around this message that hate will not win. >> we know that we as a society are better than this. we know that hatred will never win out. that those that try to divide us because of the way we pray or where our families are from around the world will lose. in pittsburgh, we are pragmatic. we find solutions to problems.

we will not try to rationalize irrational behavior. we will not try to figure out ways in order to lessen the degree of crimes such as this. we will work to eradicate it from our city, from our nation, and our world. hatred will not have a place anywhere. >> cnn has reporters on the scene to bring us the latest. here with a look at the victims, miguel marquez with the latest on the investigation. let's start with anchor victor blackwell in pittsburgh outside the synagogue where this mass shooting happened. tell us what's happening here the day after. >> fred, hello to you. a day on since this tragedy here in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. you remember, we were in new york yesterday together. it was that initial tweet from pittsburgh public safety that said active shooter at the

corner of wilkins and shady. no mention at the tree of life synagogue, but we are at the corner of will kings and shady where the synagogue is. people have been dropping off candles and flowers and notes in front of the building as they try to grapple with what we learned today. the names and the ages of those 11 killed ranging from 54 to 97 years old. we will learn more about them throughout the morning. i have spoken with people who live in this community who say that this is not this community. there is a banner up, this slogan we have heard echoing what we have heard. we are still squirrel hill. meaning this is a tolerant community. this is a loving community. they will heal from this great tragedy. let's go to sarah who is also in pittsburgh covering part of this process of healing.

a vigil for a second night that will be starting soon. what are you learning? >> reporter: victor, you know this as well as anyone. this community is in mourning. these 11 people who were killed, the six people who were injured, many people in this community know their names. they know who they are. they know about their families. we are talking about a husband and wife who was killed. we are talking about a doctor who was killed. we are talking about two brothers with special needs who people adored, who stood in front every day, every time people went into the congregation to greet people. they were loved. that is what this community wants to say about those whose lives were taken. >> 75-year-old joyce feinberg of oakland. >> the names of the victims read out so the world knows who they are.

>> i have no words. i'm shaking inside. i'm shocked. >> susan knew three of the dead. her family doctor, and two brothers. >> the victims need to be talked about a lot. they can't talk for themselves anymore. >> each of them had come to pray and celebrate together on the sabbath, when hatred entered their synagogue. >> tall white male, light blue shirt, jeans. >> they geared up for a gun battle. >> we have at least four down at this time. we need armor. >> the suspect walked into a place set aside for peace with guns and a mission to kill jewish people, and succeeded. >> this is the most horrific crime scene i have seen in 22 years at the bureau. >> he said he wanted to kill all jews. in the end, it would be the deadliest attack against jews in

america, according to the antidefamation league. more dead than you can count on two hands and six wounded including four police officers. >> you have a situation where you have disturbed minds with hate in their heart and guns in their hands. >> the deadly shooting, sending a wave of sorrow across pittsburgh and the world, drawing thousands together to mourn. >> we are like a hand. >> we are like a hand. >> with various fingers connected. so when one finger hurts, we all hurt. >> i want to read you the names. dan stein, joyce feinberg, richard god feed, jerry rabinowitz. il rosenthal, jerry rosenthal.

david rosenthal, bernice simon. a sylvan simon, daniel stein, and selvin wax. >> to reach 97 years old and die in this way. it's tragic. all of it is tragic. you spoke with someone who knew these victims. what did that person tell you? >> we spoke to several people. as i mentioned, this is a tight knit community and the seat of the jewish community here in pittsburgh. i do want to mention that so many people talked about the two brothers, the rosenthals, and how wonderful they were. they were special needs and they made people feel so welcome when they would come to the synagogue. they were always there to greet people to say shabbat shalom.

everyone has something wonderful to say about them. we also met someone who knew the doctor who was killed in all of this. dr. jerry rabinowitz. here is what one patient had to say about him. >> what i remember of dr. rabinowitz was he wasn't just my dad's doctor, he was there for me. he was there for my mom. my brother. he was our doctor then, too. he walked us through every piece of my dad being in the hospital for three weeks. he did it all. he was just this unassuming, small person with the biggest, biggest heart. >> small in stature, but a huge heart. we heard that over and over again from those who knew him. what one thing that the people